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#205273 - 01/26/20 11:23 PM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: Chance Weldon]
billa
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I am open to the Burris scope if need be. I am at the info gathering stage on this rig. Lots of handguns out there with rifle scopes on. I like shooting my Contender 223 with a rifle scope. Lots of rifle scope options out there.
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#205274 - 01/26/20 11:26 PM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: Chance Weldon]
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 Originally Posted By: Chance Weldon
I can't really add much more to what everyone else has said. But, are you dead set on a rifle scope? I have a 4-12x scope on my granddad's 300 Weatherby, and even at 12x power, I could clearly get a good sight picture of a whitetail while glassing them at 380 yards one morning. In my opinion, it was adequate magnification for that kind of shot. Burris makes a 3-12x pistol scope that would give you a decent amount of magnification while eliminating the issues posed by the short eye relief, which would give you more chambering options.


Actually, the eye relief of the Burris 3-12x pistol scope is so atrocious, you might as well use a rifle scope and get better benefits of turrets and field of view.

Burris eye relief in their handgun scopes sucks balls. Well, except for their 2x scope. Imaging that. 😁
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#205275 - 01/26/20 11:31 PM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: Zee]
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And just so folks who have never tried, when you use a rifle scope on a specialty pistol, you aren?t getting close enough to get a full sight picture (3 in +/-). You are using the doughnut hole method to take advantage of the higher magnification. And recoil doesn?t really matter because I?m not close enough to get hit anyway.

Something no pistol scope offers.

I had a Burris 3-12x scope on an HS Precision .223 Rem Pistol and absolutely HATED that scope. For the magnification, it didn?t have the turret adjustment and eye relief that advocated actually using it at any great distance.
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#205276 - 01/27/20 12:56 AM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: Zee]
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I have a 6mm creedmoor rifle and 2 6.5s,the 6mm in my opinion outperforms the 6.5 and uses less powder(less muzzle blast and recoil)for whitetail it would be just fine but for big mule deer and elk the 6.5 would be a better choice.Also IMO it outperforms .243 win. in every category.

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#205277 - 01/27/20 06:46 AM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: BIZZMO]
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Bizzmo is your 6 Creed rifle a single-shot and so throated or is the reamer used for it set-up for a magazine?
All things being equal (which they rarely are), the larger case capacity, when you can use the full capacity (Like in a single-shot) where you can throat long depending on the case the larger capacity is going to out perform the smaller one with heavy for caliber bullets. This is also assuming the same/similar pressure.
I have a 308 Winchester rifle (Yes, I said rifle) that runs a 200 grain bullet at 2626 fps, and I could run it faster, but it shoots so stupid good and stays in tune with 42.0 grains of Varget, there is no reason to run it harder, especially when running 20 round plus strings.
I promise you it would not be wise to try to do the same thing with my Remington 700 rifle (20" barrel) with my magazine fed 165 AB's(2580 fps). Or in a another guys 308 using a mag, 168's at 2721 fps (24" rifle). Sticking a 200 grain Berger 200.20x in either rifle that uses mags would be kind of silly. The other disparity is the barrel length of the two. Plus my F-TR rifle is a single shot action and so throated.
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#205288 - 01/27/20 10:04 AM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: Ernie]
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Ernie- the reamer that was used was for magazine use.I originally wanted a 6mm remington but he lost his reamer in a fire so I had choice of either 6 cm or .243 win.I already had a lot 6.5 cm brass that I could neck down to 6mm so I went with the creed.Also after looking at load data it seems to me that the 6cm was a better cartridge than the .243 albeit slightly.It has a 26" bartlein 1:7.5 twist and it's running 105 gr. bergers at 3000 fps.I know I'm comparing 105 gr.bullets (536 bc) to 140 grain(600 bc)that are going around 2700 but the 6 cm outperforms the 6.5 out to 1000 yds in my rifles.Btw the bc is just a number they put on the box and when you actually shoot them you find that's what they are-just numbers IMO.

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#205313 - 01/27/20 08:42 PM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: BIZZMO]
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I agree with redhawk1954! I also have a CVA in 6.5CM and also killed a doe with mine at fairly close range. I have a 2x6 Bushnell and a APA Little Bastard muzzle brake on it. I have shot it at 100 yards with good results. I have been shooting the same Winchester ammo that redhawk mentions too. With the brake the recoil is next to none.

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#205758 - 02/26/20 12:27 AM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: RSW]
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I REALLY like the 7mm08. Reasonable drops out to 400 or more. Great BC and you can go heavier for bigger game if needed. Recoil can be moderate with heavier loads but also super mild.

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#205759 - 02/26/20 12:30 AM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: minnesotahunter]
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The buck in the pic to the left was 300 yards with the 7mm08. 15 inch barrel. 2x6 Simmons.

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#205799 - 02/28/20 11:56 AM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: minnesotahunter]
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7mm-08 really seemed like the sweet spot to me as well. Very shootable, hits hard, lots of commercial and handload options.
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