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#205251 - 01/26/20 10:41 AM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: Ernie]
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Little late to the party I will offer up three choice:
6.5 x 270 JDJ:
15-inch stainless with SSKs fish gill brake & Tsob base.
Burris 3 x 12 hand gun scope: The recoil is so mild you can spot hits in the scope.
Ballistics:
100s I am working with these now touching 3000fs
120s are at their best at 2800fs
125s & 130s at 2700fs - I do not have anything heavier than 130gr.

7 x 57 Improved 40 degree:
I am a big fan the 284 caliber have taken several Indiana whitetails with this one.
16-inch CM matte finish with SSK arrestor brake & Tsob base
Burris 3 x 12 hand gun scope: Recoil is mild
Ballistics:
120s at 2950fs Used Sierra 120 Pro-hunter with outstanding terminal performance
140s at 2800fs
150s at 2700fs

280 JDJ:
15-inch stainless with SSK fish gill brake & Tsob base
Burris 3 x 12 hand gun scope: Recoil is mild
Ballistics:
120s will touch 3000fs
140s best at 2800fs
To date I have not tried any weights heavier than 140s.
Late last fall I tried a Burris Full Field II 4 x 12 x 42 rifle scope to see if I would like it. (No) I returned to the handgun scope. The rifle scope was not advantageous to my shooting \ hunting style.

Of course, all of these are wildcat roll your own options.

Good luck with your choice
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Edited by Buck_358 (01/26/20 10:46 AM)
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#205258 - 01/26/20 06:15 PM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: Ernie]
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 Originally Posted By: Ernie
With the bullet you will use, try to figure out what the impact velocity will be at your max distance with each cartridge.


There are lots of options being thrown out. I'm not sure how many will give you a low recoil load that you could use a rifle scope with on a pistol without a muzzle break. I think Ernie had a very good point here. Figure out a bullet and then a cartridge that will do what you want. To this end, I would recommend looking at bullets with low terminal velocity requirements that are commonly used in some of currently popular lower velocity or long range hunting rounds such as 300BO or 6.5 CM. I can really only speak knowledgeably about the Barnes offerings, but the Speer 120gn golddot that is used in the 300BO is suppose to be good at low velocities. Some swear by the Hornady V-max, but i'm not a fan of varmint bullets at deer at any velocity. I have heard folks say that some of these high BC 6.5 hunting bullets are really just relabeled match bullets nearly explode at close ranges so do some research.

Barnes has 2 offerings for the 300BO in their TAC-TX line with black tips. a 110 and 120gn bullet with BCs of 0.289 and 0.358. Barnes recommends a minimum impact velocity of 1450 for both of them in hunting situations (2x expansion at 1350). I am using the 110gn in 30-30 contender factory 14" barrel and can launch it at 2500fps which I consider max velocity due to pressure signs. At that velocity, I maintain ~1450fps out to around 400 yards. I ran the ballistics for the 120gn with an estimated MV (matched energies) and came up with the same distance. I think you could get a barrel in 30-30 AI or even 308 and load the 120gn bullet at ~2500-2600fps and have a great 400yd gun (albeit not real flat shooting) The 30-30 could be a contender platform but with an estimated MV of 2500+ with the 120gn projectile and no muzzle break I don't know if a rifle scope would work very well. I do think that such a setup in an encore with a 15" heavy or bull barrel would work very well. I know the 110gn bullet is a deer hammer out to 180yds.

Barnes has ballistics for 3 long range bullets (https://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/VOR-TX_LR_Ballistics.pdf) . i know the 6.5 has a terminal velocity requirement of 1600. I'm not sure about the other bullets, but an email to customer service will get you an answer in a week or so.

The 95gn 6CM on their ballistic chart would give you a 0.436 BC and likely a pretty low recoil.
I need to stop, or i'm going to talk myself into another barrel.

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#205259 - 01/26/20 06:23 PM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: karl]
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Bill, don?t overlook the 308; the 7mm-08, which are my favorites, another is the 250 savage, good luck with your decision

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#205260 - 01/26/20 06:31 PM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: karl]
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I agree that bullet performance will be the key factor when considering a low recoil deer round.

Based on all the input so far I am looking for a 120gr or lighter 6.5 bullet that will kill a deer at 6.5Creedmoor velocities or perhaps a 6mm /243 Bullet that will do the same out to 350yards. I think there are a few out there.

If I end up needing a brake I will get one but I prefer not. I shoot my 358 unported and I plugged my X-frame 460XVR port.

Remember I am out of my element here as I am a lifelong big bore, recoil junkie, bigger is better guy. My favorite deer cartridges are the 358JDJ and the 460S&W. I used to laugh at the guys shooting sub 30 cal rounds now I am considering becoming one. LOL...
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#205262 - 01/26/20 08:18 PM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: billa]
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billa, I mentioned my 6mm AI Encore. For javelina and deer I only use 85 gr. NBTs. Get complete penetration on most any angle.. Internal damage is around 2", exits are 1 1/4". No brake, minimal recoil. The 2 deer killed at 400 did not move on double shoulder hits. Anything inside that is pretty much thrown to the ground.
I've taken it on several hunts where I normally take my 6.5/.284 and not been disappointed.

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#205263 - 01/26/20 08:52 PM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: wvhitman]
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Doc. That is impressive performance. Perhaps I need to look at 6mm instead of 6.5. Ballistics on the 6mm AI look impressive.

What are your thought on the .243?
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#205265 - 01/26/20 09:43 PM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: billa]
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That?s a whole different animal.
I love the .243 Winchester.
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#205267 - 01/26/20 10:16 PM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: Zee]
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Zee, How does your experience with the 243 compare to Doc with the 6mm AI? Do you also suggest the 85gr Nosler partitions?
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#205268 - 01/26/20 10:16 PM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: Zee]
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I can't really add much more to what everyone else has said. But, are you dead set on a rifle scope? I have a 4-12x scope on my granddad's 300 Weatherby, and even at 12x power, I could clearly get a good sight picture of a whitetail while glassing them at 380 yards one morning. In my opinion, it was adequate magnification for that kind of shot. Burris makes a 3-12x pistol scope that would give you a decent amount of magnification while eliminating the issues posed by the short eye relief, which would give you more chambering options.
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#205272 - 01/26/20 11:20 PM Re: Encore setup for open country Whitetail [Re: billa]
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 Originally Posted By: billa
Zee, How does your experience with the 243 compare to Doc with the 6mm AI? Do you also suggest the 85gr Nosler partitions?


I run 105gr Hornady A-Max or 85gr Sierra HPBT-GameKings, twist rate dependent.
I have no experience with the 6mm AI. But, it?s just a fast 6mm. Same bullet. Different speed. If his experience is with a short barrel 6mm AI, then my 32 inch heavy barrel .243 Winchester is likely moving faster or there abouts. So yeah, I like fast 6mm bullets and am usually a heavy for caliber person.

I?ve culled quite a few deer and pigs with those two bullets and like them both. Preferring the Hornady, given a fast twist.
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