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#199411 - 05/03/19 09:08 AM Re: CAST BULLETS: HOW FAST IS TOO FAST? [Re: sixshot]
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I will come back. Every so-called expert started out as a beginner with no experience. Admire the experience but value all on the journey.

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#199432 - 05/03/19 04:39 PM Re: CAST BULLETS: HOW FAST IS TOO FAST? [Re: sixshot]
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 Originally Posted By: sixshot
Forgot! Being a born & bred western hunter I can tell you that many don't understand high fence hunting but I've always defended it & encouraged it. It's a simple fact that not everyone lives in the western US where there is a lot of public land where you just take off & hunt. We take that for granted out here & some laugh at people that high fence hunt, they wouldn't if they lived in other parts of the country.
I learned when I was in the military in Texas that it's all private & you're going to pay somebody if you want to hunt so shut up & pay or don't hunt.
Also it's a great way to speed up the learning curve, not everyone can make a trip out west every year or go to Alaska or Africa, so stay home, find a good hunting preserve or high fence operation in Texas, etc & get some nice animals under your belt. We all have to start somewhere but at least get started. Then you can test bullets, meet other hunters & see what works & what doesn't. Nobody was born doing it!!!!!!!

Dick


Well said dick

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#199440 - 05/03/19 10:13 PM Re: CAST BULLETS: HOW FAST IS TOO FAST? [Re: tradmark]
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Amen Sixshot..Life is too short...go hunting

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#199442 - 05/04/19 09:33 AM Re: CAST BULLETS: HOW FAST IS TOO FAST? [Re: Franchise]
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 Originally Posted By: Franchise
Life is too short...go hunting


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#199456 - 05/04/19 05:08 PM Re: CAST BULLETS: HOW FAST IS TOO FAST? [Re: Whitworth]
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#199467 - 05/05/19 02:15 AM Re: CAST BULLETS: HOW FAST IS TOO FAST? [Re: REDHAWK1954]
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I've said this many times in many places but maybe some haven't heard it or perhaps don't believe it. I learned my lesson in 1976-77 in Handgun Silhouette, you just can't shoot hard cast at hard objects, especially at high velocity or you are doomed to fail. A premium bullet will not do that but cast bullets can break your heart if you break the rules.
The rules are, hard cast at high velocity on heavy bone is a no no, same way on steel we found out after much experimenting. Once we slowed down & softened our alloy we started to have success.
We referred to it as "dwell time" A cast bullet will do fine on a lot of bone but not a lot of heavy bone, especially if it's going fast & is an high antimony alloy bullet.
Big, heavy cast bullets are wonderful, I've used them all my life but I've never tried to drive them top level, you don't need to. The faster you drive them the faster they will fail on heavy bone. Also a nose profile that is too wide will work against you, you have to compromise a little.
I doubt I'll ever kill anything bigger than the elk, moose, bears & plains game I've already killed so I'll never shoot anything but cast. I do have a local guy who said I can shoot some slaughter steers for him in a few weeks, I'll use 3 different calibers. I've done this twice before but it's been a while, looking forward to it.

Dick


Edited by sixshot (05/05/19 02:24 AM)

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#199475 - 05/05/19 09:04 AM Re: CAST BULLETS: HOW FAST IS TOO FAST? [Re: sixshot]
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"AND SIXSHOT KNOWS CAST BULLETS".

DICK: THIS WILL NOT BE THE LAST TIME YOU MAY HAVE TO REPEAT THE ABOVE, TOO MANY MYTHS OUT THERE ABOUT "HARD" CAST BULLETS.
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#199505 - 05/06/19 03:20 PM Re: CAST BULLETS: HOW FAST IS TOO FAST? [Re: 45MAN]
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He who knows cast bullets knows a lot from experience. Experience in testing in live animals and testing in media meant to create a measurable comparative data.

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